Good post Calipers. I think it’s important to point out that the East Asian countries didn’t have to make the choice that Malaysia and Indonesia faced, because Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans enjoy total ethnic hegemony in their respective countries. Affirmative action policies were never even on the table.
Immigration from abroad was also not a major factor in any of these countries, unlike in the New World. The experience of Argentina in the last century may be more relevant to America today. Prior to WWI, Argentina accepted millions of immigrants from Central Europe, who created a dynamic export-driven economy. Argentina thrived due to these Germans, Italians, and other Europeans, even though the traditional Iberian elite likely had mixed feelings about it. However, when these sources of immigration slowed, migrant workers were instead sourced from Amerindian populations in neighboring countries. These immigrants had entirely different characteristics and it suffices to say that Argentina was never quite the same afterwards.
My point is that, although H-1B visas are sold to the public as a way to attract highly productive elites, the available data shows otherwise. Immigration must be managed with extreme discretion, especially when so many immigrants are coming from countries with a long and well-practiced tradition of the ethnic grievance politics you describe here.
Thanks for the insight on Argentina's economic and demographic history. It's a fascinating country that seems to be digging itself out of a rut. My vague impression was that its economic decline had more to do with socialist-style policies than migration from neighboring countries. Do you have any resources to recommend on this topic?
You're right that the CJK countries didn't have the radical racial diversity of the new world countries. Still, there were elements of the population whose interests were not aligned with national development. 'Export discipline' used financial incentives and pressure from abroad to keep manufacturers who would prefer to get fat on subsidies in check.
I prefer a more risk-on and less safetyist approach to immigration, because so many American success stories came from people who didn't yet prove themselves at home: stories like Do Won Chang's (founder, Forever21), Min Kao's (Garmin), and Jan Koum's (WhatsApp). This is not even to mention children of mid immigrants like Jerry Yang (Yahoo).
Ethnic grievance politics are bad, and the most direct way to suppress it would be through domestic law, e.g. repeal of the Civil Rights Act. If there were evidence of a serious anti-American movement from immigrants, like Aztlan but if it had any influence at all and wasn't a defunct LARP, then I would update in a more safetyist direction.
Third world migration and socialism went hand-in-hand, with slum dwellers voting for socialism, and the socialist government in turn granting amnesty to illegal migrants.
The New World settler colonies got rich by arbitraging the temporary gap in political efficacy between their own governments and those of previously wealthy Old World nations. Countries like Germany, Italy, China, and Korea had good population genetics and proud histories but lagged economically behind the temperate New World nations due to political inertia and war. America, Canada, Argentina, Uruguay, and Chile were able to grab up the populations of those countries to their own benefit during this transitional period.
However, conditions in those historical emigrant nations have largely equalized with the New World and birth rates there have plummeted. The current emigrant nations are mostly those which have never attained a high level of civilization, and this is reflected in the average quality of their citizens (IQ, personality traits, predilection for violence). Note that the entrepreneurs you mentioned come from countries in the Far East or Europe, which fall in the former category and no longer send out many emigrants. Given the global demographic situation, it makes sense to pull up the drawbridge for all but the most exceptional individuals.
East Asia has stalled out at gdp per capita way below ours. Its rate of per capita innovation is low given their IQ. TFRs are apocalypse level. The only thing they lead in is inefficient hours worked and suicide rate.
They spent the last few years locked down in their apartments and muzzling their faces because of the flu (which they themselves brought about in their own lab).
India is about five million times worse than East Asia.
Elite white norms are just better bro. Going the Vivek route of turning the USA into a giant cram school would be a disaster.
My Korean-American doctor at Kaiser Permanente (Stephen Andrew Poon) is a total piece of shit, though. His problem is that he can't think outside of the box. That's where East Asian conformity can doom you.
When we have strict liability child support laws here in the US, where even a vasectomy failure, even statutory rape, and even actual rape of a man by a woman is not an excuse to avoid one’s child support obligations, it’s absolutely inexcusable for sterilization doctors who are capable of performing bilateral epididymectomies on men to refuse to perform them on request.
Offering a bilateral epididymectomy (in addition to a radical scrotal vasectomy) for sterilization purposes. Dr. Parviz Kavoussi and Dr. Naveen Kella had this view, though Dr. Kavoussi later changed his mind once I asked him to pay all of my child support for me for 18+ years in the event of a bilateral epididymectomy failure and lectured him about risk.
Good post Calipers. I think it’s important to point out that the East Asian countries didn’t have to make the choice that Malaysia and Indonesia faced, because Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans enjoy total ethnic hegemony in their respective countries. Affirmative action policies were never even on the table.
Immigration from abroad was also not a major factor in any of these countries, unlike in the New World. The experience of Argentina in the last century may be more relevant to America today. Prior to WWI, Argentina accepted millions of immigrants from Central Europe, who created a dynamic export-driven economy. Argentina thrived due to these Germans, Italians, and other Europeans, even though the traditional Iberian elite likely had mixed feelings about it. However, when these sources of immigration slowed, migrant workers were instead sourced from Amerindian populations in neighboring countries. These immigrants had entirely different characteristics and it suffices to say that Argentina was never quite the same afterwards.
My point is that, although H-1B visas are sold to the public as a way to attract highly productive elites, the available data shows otherwise. Immigration must be managed with extreme discretion, especially when so many immigrants are coming from countries with a long and well-practiced tradition of the ethnic grievance politics you describe here.
Thanks for the insight on Argentina's economic and demographic history. It's a fascinating country that seems to be digging itself out of a rut. My vague impression was that its economic decline had more to do with socialist-style policies than migration from neighboring countries. Do you have any resources to recommend on this topic?
You're right that the CJK countries didn't have the radical racial diversity of the new world countries. Still, there were elements of the population whose interests were not aligned with national development. 'Export discipline' used financial incentives and pressure from abroad to keep manufacturers who would prefer to get fat on subsidies in check.
I prefer a more risk-on and less safetyist approach to immigration, because so many American success stories came from people who didn't yet prove themselves at home: stories like Do Won Chang's (founder, Forever21), Min Kao's (Garmin), and Jan Koum's (WhatsApp). This is not even to mention children of mid immigrants like Jerry Yang (Yahoo).
Ethnic grievance politics are bad, and the most direct way to suppress it would be through domestic law, e.g. repeal of the Civil Rights Act. If there were evidence of a serious anti-American movement from immigrants, like Aztlan but if it had any influence at all and wasn't a defunct LARP, then I would update in a more safetyist direction.
This article is a good summary of the situation: https://www.amren.com/features/2017/04/argentina-a-mirror-of-your-future-buenos-aires-latin-america/
Third world migration and socialism went hand-in-hand, with slum dwellers voting for socialism, and the socialist government in turn granting amnesty to illegal migrants.
The New World settler colonies got rich by arbitraging the temporary gap in political efficacy between their own governments and those of previously wealthy Old World nations. Countries like Germany, Italy, China, and Korea had good population genetics and proud histories but lagged economically behind the temperate New World nations due to political inertia and war. America, Canada, Argentina, Uruguay, and Chile were able to grab up the populations of those countries to their own benefit during this transitional period.
However, conditions in those historical emigrant nations have largely equalized with the New World and birth rates there have plummeted. The current emigrant nations are mostly those which have never attained a high level of civilization, and this is reflected in the average quality of their citizens (IQ, personality traits, predilection for violence). Note that the entrepreneurs you mentioned come from countries in the Far East or Europe, which fall in the former category and no longer send out many emigrants. Given the global demographic situation, it makes sense to pull up the drawbridge for all but the most exceptional individuals.
East Asia has stalled out at gdp per capita way below ours. Its rate of per capita innovation is low given their IQ. TFRs are apocalypse level. The only thing they lead in is inefficient hours worked and suicide rate.
They spent the last few years locked down in their apartments and muzzling their faces because of the flu (which they themselves brought about in their own lab).
India is about five million times worse than East Asia.
Elite white norms are just better bro. Going the Vivek route of turning the USA into a giant cram school would be a disaster.
My Korean-American doctor at Kaiser Permanente (Stephen Andrew Poon) is a total piece of shit, though. His problem is that he can't think outside of the box. That's where East Asian conformity can doom you.
What are some examples of out-of-the-box thinking you noticed from other doctors who treated you, but didn’t see from Mr. Poon?
When we have strict liability child support laws here in the US, where even a vasectomy failure, even statutory rape, and even actual rape of a man by a woman is not an excuse to avoid one’s child support obligations, it’s absolutely inexcusable for sterilization doctors who are capable of performing bilateral epididymectomies on men to refuse to perform them on request.
Offering a bilateral epididymectomy (in addition to a radical scrotal vasectomy) for sterilization purposes. Dr. Parviz Kavoussi and Dr. Naveen Kella had this view, though Dr. Kavoussi later changed his mind once I asked him to pay all of my child support for me for 18+ years in the event of a bilateral epididymectomy failure and lectured him about risk.