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Norman Eckart's avatar

Look, "autism" is not a compliment generally, and autists are not incapable of being absolutely reprehensible people. It isn't so much that there are LARPers masquerading as autists for some kind of social clout or excuse - they are genuinely autistic, but bad people who bemuse themselves in genuinely gross, sociopathic, disruptive, and generally retarded ways.

I grew up having seen a case of A Tale Of Two Autists. In our school we had Steve as "that kid", and he was full-blown autistic. Absolutely socially awkward, prone to bursts of the most absurd behaviors, and of course obsessed with Sonic the Hedgehog, video games, and the normal cadre of autistic interests. While weird and silly Steve was, nonetheless, a good-hearted person who inspired a protective instinct in the good people around him.

One day Steve encountered a different, bizarro-world version of himself named Steven. It was shocking how similar they physically looked and behaved, like they could be cousins despite not knowing one another. Steven was also clearly autistic, but he was an absolute shitheel. Steven was a harasser and creep on girls, prone to vile opinions and phraseology, an inept prankster whose stupid autistic humor was neither funny nor endearing, and worst of all he was horribly annoying in no redeeming ways like good-natured Steve. Everyone came to hate him, and our team of Steve-handlers worked to ward Steve away from Steven lest he pick up any kinds of bad habits.

Steven was clearly, unmistakably autistic, AND a piece of shit. Steve was clearly, unmistakably autistic, AND a good guy. While it may comfort you to believe in a system where the genuinely autistic are just affable, innocently minded sorts and the assholes are some kind of clout-chasing posers, it just isn't true. Many autistic people are jerks and unpleasant weirdos, and their unpleasantness is accentuated by their genuine autism.

Despite what the meme gloats, autists are not immune to propaganda. Autists will use backwards-logic to justify their opinions just like anyone else, they just tend to find the beautiful-system proposition itself to be justifying of their opinion more than merely the average instinctual or aesthetic pulls. Some autists love truth for its mesmerizingly beautiful patterns - others just love trains and anthropomorphic ponies.

In fact, your proposition that True Autists just think like well-intentioned gay gamers is likely a form of well-intentioned projection based on personal experience and being rather than a fully-observational position. Many autists fall in love with a simple clockwork they can fully comprehend when the real clockwork is far too complex for any human to grasp. To contemplate there even being other humans out there that experience and navigate the world in a fundamentally differently way is difficult if not impossible for many people, autistic or not.

The skinsuit-wearers out there who portray themselves as "neurodivergent" in their special snowflake manner do so for personal attention, and we agree that such people are clearly not actually autistic. There are some genuine cases of this, but generally they pick a different mental condition than autism because, frankly, autism is inherently repulsive to most people. It's overwhelmingly weird and disconcerting for normies to encounter, and even many autists find others of their ilk to be unacceptable. Just look at how actual 4chan users treat one another! They embrace their tism and still mercilessly insult one another for being unacceptably autistic. Like a gaggle of Beholders considering themselves the only True Autistic out there based on their particular tastes... And then you have the various fauna-Autists who are better or worse than them. The posers cannot survive long among the genuine tism cesspool.

So the truth of the matter is more complex than just placid tismics versus nasty skinwalkers.

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Sectionalism Archive's avatar

I disagree, Autists definitely seek cope and being systematizing doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being unbiased. Autists are obsessive and are resistant to change, they're the exact type of people who would cling to a belief and spend all of their free time looking to justify it. For some people, justifying their religion or their ideology is just their version of spending 5 hours a day on Kanzenshuu debating powerscaling. Autists seek patterns, but that doesn't mean they seek truth. They are often so mentally unstable that they can't even handle the truth, and instead seek lies and escapism.

Also, I think that cognitive empathy is probably the primary trait in feelings towards harmful ideologies. Systematizers found their moral compasses on principles, and are capable of hardening their heart in the face of harm that is warranted under said principles. This should be pretty obvious looking at differences in thought between men and women. Hell, you see it when you interact with spergs. They're not mean, they're just... Inconsiderate.

Autism and Psychopathy are probably connected somehow. Both diseases of mannishness. Both antisocial. I think describing them as inverses is apt. Perhaps certain genes cause two people with a similar mannishness cause one to become an autist, and the other to become a psychopath. Psychopathy is obviously worse, as it leads to criminal tendencies, but Autism is certainly a disease as it is very harmful to ones self, the people around them, and society at large.

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